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<Krugz> I wonder, is anyone here? >.>2009-11-27 23:12:14
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<chornobl> somebody certainly here2009-11-27 23:29:31
<Krugz> heh2009-11-27 23:29:38
 interesting channel :o2009-11-27 23:30:06
<chornobl> well yes, but now is friday night2009-11-27 23:30:34
<Krugz> usually more active?2009-11-27 23:30:55
<chornobl> at night mostly2009-11-27 23:31:10
<Krugz> gotcha2009-11-27 23:31:17
 what do you do here?2009-11-27 23:31:46
<chornobl> nothig special2009-11-27 23:32:05
 talk sometimes2009-11-27 23:32:11
 like now for example2009-11-27 23:32:37
<Krugz> lol I meant, do you talk about data compression in here?2009-11-27 23:32:47
<chornobl> ah i forgot, that too2009-11-27 23:33:09
<Krugz> :P2009-11-27 23:33:12
 how do you forget? it's the name of the channel lol2009-11-27 23:33:30
<chornobl> you get it2009-11-27 23:33:55
<Krugz> anyhow I just happen to see it on the channel list and thought it looked interesting so I dropped in2009-11-27 23:34:34
* Krugz is a computer science major in univ.2009-11-27 23:34:50
<chornobl> reading my mind, just wanted to ask how one get here2009-11-27 23:35:12
<Krugz> speaking of comp sci.. any chance you know anything about MIPS architecture, specifically the opcodes?2009-11-27 23:36:07
 I'm working on an assignment for one of my classes2009-11-27 23:36:38
<chornobl> not really :(2009-11-27 23:36:47
<Krugz> that's ok, don't worry about it, just figured I'd ask2009-11-27 23:36:57
 data compression seems complicated, I'm a novice on the topic, I only understand the basic idea of how it tends to work2009-11-27 23:37:51
<chornobl> theres allwey math behind it2009-11-27 23:38:17
* chornobl should learn math better2009-11-27 23:38:37
<Krugz> I'm not that great at math either2009-11-27 23:39:00
 currently in Calculus 2 2009-11-27 23:39:08
 and not doing great there either -.-;2009-11-27 23:39:23
 brb2009-11-27 23:41:42
<chornobl> k2009-11-27 23:41:46
<Krugz> need to grab some form of caffeine 2009-11-27 23:41:56
<chornobl> that means coffe?2009-11-27 23:42:23
<Krugz> in this case, yes2009-11-27 23:44:18
 starbucks frappuccino 2009-11-27 23:44:34
<chornobl> i guess that means you're from US2009-11-27 23:45:20
<Krugz> born in Russia, living in US2009-11-27 23:46:32
 Russian-American yay me2009-11-27 23:46:50
<chornobl> ну так это в корне меняет дело2009-11-27 23:46:57
<Krugz> ah I should tell you, 1) I can't read those characters, 2) I can't read/speak russian much2009-11-27 23:47:27
 I moved when I was 5, so a lot of my Russian is just verbally learned, I already forgot a lot of it2009-11-27 23:47:47
<chornobl> you can see that i'm not good in english either2009-11-27 23:48:18
<Krugz> you're fine, most Americans are worse :P2009-11-27 23:48:37
<chornobl> so guess were equal2009-11-27 23:48:45
 gee thank2009-11-27 23:48:50
<Krugz> lol2009-11-27 23:48:55
<chornobl> s2009-11-27 23:48:55
<Krugz> it's not that you're very good, more like they're mostly very bad lol2009-11-27 23:49:10
<chornobl> that is the sad part2009-11-27 23:49:29
<Krugz> "yooooo wsup! hw r u!!" <-- :P2009-11-27 23:49:44
 yup, oh well2009-11-27 23:49:52
<chornobl> same here actually2009-11-27 23:50:08
<Krugz> what do you mean?2009-11-27 23:51:27
<chornobl> words shortened and twisted by sms and internet2009-11-27 23:52:13
 and a lack of cyrillic characters in some areas2009-11-27 23:53:04
<Krugz> gotcha2009-11-27 23:53:23
<chornobl> see third link at the top, there are some compression related stuff like 350 posts back2009-11-27 23:58:01
<Krugz> ya?2009-11-27 23:58:33
 I think right now I would be unable to decipher it all :P2009-11-27 23:58:58
 plus I'm busy trying to work on this MIPS assignment2009-11-27 23:59:08
<chornobl> ah ok then2009-11-27 23:59:23
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<Shelwien> ?2009-11-28 07:26:31
* Krugz waves2009-11-28 07:26:44
<Krugz> hello2009-11-28 07:26:46
<Shelwien> hi2009-11-28 07:26:54
<Krugz> Just randomly dropped in, saw it on the channel list and it seemed interesting2009-11-28 07:29:08
<Shelwien> well, people forgot how to lurk so its never crowded here2009-11-28 07:30:22
<Krugz> that's ok2009-11-28 07:30:34
<Shelwien> but we have a log: http://ps16893.dreamhost.com/log/2009-11-28 07:30:43
<Krugz> hmm I'll think about it,but I'm not much for reading logs2009-11-28 07:31:09
<Shelwien> well, if you have any suggestions about making them more readable, its welcome2009-11-28 07:31:52
 also its relatively readable, if anything, we have real discussions here2009-11-28 07:32:28
<Krugz> heh you sure? I'm not exactly anyone particularly qualified to do so2009-11-28 07:32:35
<Shelwien> i don't see how it requires any qualification2009-11-28 07:33:08
<Krugz> idk, I assumed there would be a lot of technical jargon2009-11-28 07:33:24
<Shelwien> err... afair there was a 3 hours of bodybuilding talks here - that's a problem for me too ;)2009-11-28 07:34:15
<Krugz> lol2009-11-28 07:34:33
<Shelwien> its not that topic-specific really2009-11-28 07:34:51
 just people from a forum chatting about random stuff2009-11-28 07:35:08
* Krugz nods2009-11-28 07:35:36
<Krugz> ya I'm reading the first log2009-11-28 07:35:40
 I get the idea, though I'm sure if you guys went into the details I'd be lost 2009-11-28 07:36:15
<Shelwien> that's not that frequent unfortunately2009-11-28 07:36:43
<Krugz> well I'm assuming the people who discuss things in here are already to the point where talking through all the details would be pointless for everyone2009-11-28 07:37:21
 it'd like watching professors explain for and while loops to each other :P2009-11-28 07:38:00
<Shelwien> dunno2009-11-28 07:38:25
 user's point is very important too2009-11-28 07:38:34
<Krugz> true enough2009-11-28 07:39:08
 well I don't have any real use for data compression, I'm just interested because it's ... interesting lol2009-11-28 07:39:34
<Shelwien> so most of the people on the forum, and half here, are just people interested in testing experimental tools2009-11-28 07:39:46
 and in fact, i don't have any use for data compression too2009-11-28 07:40:10
 that's kinda normal with modern hdds etc2009-11-28 07:40:36
<Krugz> hah that's kinda counterintuitive, I would assume the person making the most of the technology would be someone inspired by a problem they themselves faced2009-11-28 07:40:50
<Shelwien> but the applications of algorithms developed for data compression2009-11-28 07:41:06
 are everywhere basically2009-11-28 07:41:12
<Krugz> well ya, anywhere there's data..2009-11-28 07:41:30
 :P2009-11-28 07:41:36
<Shelwien> there's even compression-related algorithms in any modern x86 CPUs2009-11-28 07:42:08
 *there're2009-11-28 07:42:13
 like in caches2009-11-28 07:42:17
 or, especially, branch prediction2009-11-28 07:42:25
<Krugz> hmm that I didn't really think about2009-11-28 07:42:57
<Shelwien> and any optimization or prediction or storage or error-correction or cryptography or communications or recognition... etc... are related to that too2009-11-28 07:43:38
 as it all deals with data, like you said2009-11-28 07:43:57
<Krugz> ya cryptography would have been my first choice as an alternate application2009-11-28 07:44:00
<Shelwien> well, steganography is more related2009-11-28 07:44:29
 but there're even image scaling algorithms based on context models2009-11-28 07:44:59
 and plain data compression is just a good and objective measure of model quality2009-11-28 07:45:26
<Krugz> lol you certainly know a lot about data compression and it's applications :P2009-11-28 07:45:52
<Shelwien> basically, if your algorithm is good for compressing data, then it would be also good for predicting that data, and manipulating it2009-11-28 07:46:04
<Krugz> ya that makes sense2009-11-28 07:46:23
<Shelwien> well, its both my hobby and job2009-11-28 07:46:26
<Krugz> did you get the job because it was your hobby or the other way around?2009-11-28 07:46:47
<Shelwien> well, i guess first2009-11-28 07:47:33
 once I decided to help with compression.ru maintenance2009-11-28 07:48:08
 and that eventually brought me some jobs2009-11-28 07:48:27
<Krugz> ah gotcha2009-11-28 07:48:43
<Shelwien> btw, do you know about this program? http://soundslimmer.com/2009-11-28 07:49:40
<Krugz> another guy in here, Chernobl, was also Russian (or seemingly to me), is this like a mini-russian group? 2009-11-28 07:49:51
<Shelwien> asmodean here is japanese2009-11-28 07:50:12
 and one more guy2009-11-28 07:50:22
<Krugz> oic2009-11-28 07:50:45
 well I guess I tip the balance towards Russian :P2009-11-28 07:51:00
 but don't try to speak Russian with me, it won't get either of us anywhere lol2009-11-28 07:51:12
<Shelwien> well, the main language here is supposed to be english2009-11-28 07:51:46
<Krugz> ya I figured :P, fine with me2009-11-28 07:52:02
<Shelwien> forum is english-only in fact2009-11-28 07:52:09
 but half of the people there are russians2009-11-28 07:52:24
<Krugz> anyhow, no I haven't seen this sound slimmer program before, I've never actively tried to compress files unless you're talking about things like .zip/.rar2009-11-28 07:52:39
<Shelwien> http://forum.websound.ru/index.php?showtopic=246012009-11-28 07:53:45
<Krugz> ah it's really too bad I can't read Russian, I've been trying to relearn but I'm too busy and it's not as easy as I'd hoped 2009-11-28 07:54:58
<Shelwien> well, then this: http://web.archive.org/web/20061117025944/http://www.soundslimmer.com/about_us_i.html2009-11-28 07:56:15
 somehow they don't have it there anymore ;)2009-11-28 07:56:26
<Krugz> hmm weird, oh well though2009-11-28 07:58:39
 but it's cool that you have your name on it :P2009-11-28 07:59:00
<Shelwien> there's even a canadian patent for it ;)2009-11-28 07:59:13
<Krugz> nice2009-11-28 07:59:26
 hmm there's a lot of things I'd like to ask, trying to decide where I'd like to start2009-11-28 08:00:02
 what're you currently working on, if anything?2009-11-28 08:00:29
<Shelwien> a remote backup application i guess, that's one job2009-11-28 08:00:53
 and a proprietary audio codec which followed after that soundslimmer2009-11-28 08:01:17
<Krugz> hmm are you having any fun with either of them?2009-11-28 08:01:37
<Shelwien> why, its interesting enough2009-11-28 08:02:02
 i'm only responsible for entropy coding (compression) part for that audio codec, though2009-11-28 08:02:24
 also, remote diffing is an interesting problem too2009-11-28 08:03:15
<Krugz> I've heard that somewhere before.. I might know someone who does something related 2009-11-28 08:03:58
<Shelwien> say, you uploaded a big video file to a server via ftp2009-11-28 08:03:59
 then checked its crc, and it doesn't match2009-11-28 08:04:08
 and downloading it back to build a patch and fix it on the server is bad2009-11-28 08:05:06
 and uploading it again is even worse2009-11-28 08:05:14
<Krugz> ya lol you keep losing or distorting it2009-11-28 08:05:31
<Shelwien> yeah, so there's a workaround2009-11-28 08:06:16
 you can build a hash table from the remote file, and only download it (its small)2009-11-28 08:06:48
 and then generate a patch using only the hash table2009-11-28 08:07:05
 it would be more redundant than a "precise" patch2009-11-28 08:07:15
 but still by a few orders smaller than the whole file2009-11-28 08:07:36
 and then, my algorithm even works with stuff like remuxed video files2009-11-28 08:08:10
 kinda like these xdelta patches, but without having both version on one side2009-11-28 08:08:28
 and i'm thinking about eventually applying it for p2p2009-11-28 08:09:03
<Krugz> hmm I sort of understand2009-11-28 08:09:12
 I didn't know you could patch a Hash though.. I don't really even think I understand how that's possible lol2009-11-28 08:09:35
<Shelwien> as unlike torrent hashing system, my algorithm would allow to locate usable fragments anywhere2009-11-28 08:09:38
<Krugz> sounds impressive, but I've only minorly worked with hashing2009-11-28 08:10:16
<Shelwien> err... its simple... remote diff can be done with a torrent too2009-11-28 08:10:31
 suppose you'd generate a torrent for the local file2009-11-28 08:10:52
 and then "download" it over the broken remote file2009-11-28 08:11:10
<Krugz> ya2009-11-28 08:11:34
<Shelwien> but, torrent isn't really the right solution2009-11-28 08:12:05
 because even if you only delete a first byte from remote file2009-11-28 08:12:18
 it won't find any matches at all 2009-11-28 08:12:27
<Krugz> why's that?2009-11-28 08:12:37
<Shelwien> dunno. its implemented like that2009-11-28 08:12:59
<Krugz> ah ok2009-11-28 08:13:07
<Shelwien> it only computes hashes for fixed data blocks2009-11-28 08:13:12
 so if a block moves somewhere, it won't be found anymore2009-11-28 08:13:37
<Krugz> Ok, I think I understand2009-11-28 08:13:54
<Shelwien> and i actually experienced such problems with ftp/http, especially when proxy is used2009-11-28 08:14:14
<Krugz> so, the result is a corrupt file, right?2009-11-28 08:14:40
<Shelwien> yeah, these protocols don't have any checks for corruption2009-11-28 08:15:00
<Krugz> ok I see2009-11-28 08:15:13
<Shelwien> but the real problem is when data offsets in the file don't match2009-11-28 08:15:16
<Krugz> heh because the program is just running wild?2009-11-28 08:15:40
<Shelwien> more like because of internet instability2009-11-28 08:16:14
 for example, a tcp packet only has 16-bit crc2009-11-28 08:17:07
 so when you're trying to transfer like 10GB of data2009-11-28 08:17:44
 some error is very likely to appear2009-11-28 08:17:56
<Krugz> hmm ya that makes sense2009-11-28 08:18:17
<Shelwien> and its quite possible that ftp client would send the packet with 1000 bytes of data2009-11-28 08:19:03
 and ftp server would receive a (broken) packet with 100 bytes of data, but accidentally the same crc2009-11-28 08:19:24
<Krugz> well when you say quite possible, isn't it a very low chance?2009-11-28 08:19:52
<Shelwien> say, we have a 1% of a tcp packet breaking in transmission (its much higher for wifi or just loaded networks btw)2009-11-28 08:20:36
<Krugz> ok2009-11-28 08:21:04
<Shelwien> and 1/65536 of such broken packets would have accidentally matching crcs2009-11-28 08:21:26
 because its 16 bits2009-11-28 08:21:30
<Krugz> ok2009-11-28 08:21:41
<Shelwien> and a packet size is ~1400 bytes2009-11-28 08:21:56
 so, once per 1400*100*65536 bytes2009-11-28 08:22:20
 you'd almost certainly have a crc collision and data error2009-11-28 08:22:39
<Krugz> hmm2009-11-28 08:22:52
<Shelwien> and thats only 9G2009-11-28 08:22:58
<Krugz> then isn't it weird that it doesn't happen more often? Or is it just not noticeable? or maybe I don't download very large files often?2009-11-28 08:23:43
<Shelwien> it doesn actually2009-11-28 08:23:55
 *it does2009-11-28 08:25:41
 why do you think there's par2 and rar recovery?2009-11-28 08:25:51
<Krugz> par2? 2009-11-28 08:26:13
<Shelwien> its a usenet tool similar to rar recovery, but standalone2009-11-28 08:26:56
<Krugz> ah ya, I googled it2009-11-28 08:27:11
<Shelwien> its just that torrents are mostly used for big files now2009-11-28 08:27:38
<Krugz> ya2009-11-28 08:27:55
<Shelwien> and torrent downloaders do check their data and retry when necessary2009-11-28 08:28:01
 unlike ftp/http2009-11-28 08:28:07
<Krugz> so you're working on/made an algorithm that gets around this problem?2009-11-28 08:29:40
<Shelwien> well, kinda2009-11-28 08:30:32
 you see, its not always possible to use torrent on the remote server2009-11-28 08:30:51
 like, hostings sometiles provide shell accounts2009-11-28 08:31:11
 but they don't allow to run torrents2009-11-28 08:31:20
 *sometimes2009-11-28 08:31:27
<Krugz> ya 2009-11-28 08:31:27
<Shelwien> and main benefit of my algorithm2009-11-28 08:32:31
 is that it allows to detect file similarities2009-11-28 08:32:51
 (matching fragments etc)2009-11-28 08:32:58
 without having full content for any file2009-11-28 08:33:18
<Krugz> ah I see2009-11-28 08:33:50
 sounds complicated lol2009-11-28 08:33:59
<Shelwien> basically, its like if you could start downloading torrents of both v1 and v2 videos2009-11-28 08:34:15
 and the downloader would automatically detect similar fragments in the files2009-11-28 08:34:38
 and won't download it twice2009-11-28 08:34:45
<Krugz> oh that's interesting2009-11-28 08:34:50
<Shelwien> unfortunately, the current torrent hashing algorithm doesn't allow that2009-11-28 08:35:14
<Krugz> because the hash is too small?2009-11-28 08:35:30
<Shelwien> no, because block offsets are fixed2009-11-28 08:36:03
<Krugz> ah2009-11-28 08:36:09
<Shelwien> it won't change for torrents even if you could set it to block size = 1 byte2009-11-28 08:36:25
 but different hashing schemes allow that2009-11-28 08:36:39
<Krugz> ah I see2009-11-28 08:36:52
<Shelwien> and that's not all2009-11-28 08:36:53
 http://schnaader.info/precomp.html2009-11-28 08:36:57
 there're also tools like that2009-11-28 08:37:10
 so eventually it would be possible2009-11-28 08:37:26
 to find a content for the rar archive you're downloading2009-11-28 08:37:51
 in an alternative release in a zip archive2009-11-28 08:38:01
<Krugz> hmm2009-11-28 08:38:59
 that's a cool way to think about it2009-11-28 08:39:26
<Shelwien> well, it requires a completely different p2p engine though2009-11-28 08:39:50
<Krugz> ya, but the basics are there already2009-11-28 08:40:10
 sounds like a great idea2009-11-28 08:40:29
<Shelwien> sure2009-11-28 08:40:55
 utorrent is really annoying as it downloads the same file with different names multiple times2009-11-28 08:41:19
<Krugz> I've used a few different torrent downloaders, I prefer bittorrent so far2009-11-28 08:42:03
 nothing technical about it though, just feels the best to me :P2009-11-28 08:42:25
<Shelwien> well, utorrent is mainstream now2009-11-28 08:42:40
 after bittorrent developers bought it2009-11-28 08:42:51
<Krugz> oh they bought it? I really don't keep up with these things..2009-11-28 08:43:11
<Shelwien> i also recently used a client called transmission2009-11-28 08:43:39
<Krugz> hmm I don't think I've ever heard of that one2009-11-28 08:43:54
<Shelwien> its a C++ open source client with most features2009-11-28 08:43:56
<Krugz> ah ok, that's cool2009-11-28 08:44:09
<Shelwien> and it has a headless mode etc2009-11-28 08:44:15
<Krugz> headless?2009-11-28 08:44:30
<Shelwien> you can run it on a remote server without GUI etc2009-11-28 08:44:52
<Krugz> ah ok2009-11-28 08:44:59
<Shelwien> and control via webinterface or something2009-11-28 08:45:06
<Krugz> gotcha2009-11-28 08:45:14
<Shelwien> there're also some 3rd-party remote control guis2009-11-28 08:45:20
 and it has very low memory usage2009-11-28 08:45:40
 my server here (ps16893) has a 150M memory limit2009-11-28 08:46:07
<Krugz> so you were thinking of using that open source client as a base for your idea?2009-11-28 08:46:21
<Shelwien> but it doesn't look like any problem at all ;)2009-11-28 08:46:24
 not really2009-11-28 08:46:34
<Krugz> lol nice server2009-11-28 08:46:36
<Shelwien> just downloading warez2009-11-28 08:46:39
 $5/month2009-11-28 08:46:41
<Krugz> 5$?2009-11-28 08:46:51
 for what?2009-11-28 08:47:01
<Shelwien> well, actually $15 but i have a discount2009-11-28 08:47:03
 a virtual server2009-11-28 08:47:12
<Krugz> ah ok2009-11-28 08:47:16
<Shelwien> unlim traffic/storage2009-11-28 08:47:23
 and full root access inside (there's debian)2009-11-28 08:47:42
 so its not really different from a full dedicated server2009-11-28 08:48:07
<Krugz> cool, so you just have your warez available to you wherever you go2009-11-28 08:48:12
<Shelwien> yeah, kinda2009-11-28 08:48:23
 and as to "base for my idea"2009-11-28 08:49:03
 i'm more interested in japanese networks for that2009-11-28 08:49:16
 like winny/share/PD2009-11-28 08:49:21
<Krugz> why's that?2009-11-28 08:49:30
<Shelwien> they have some unique concepts2009-11-28 08:49:40
<Krugz> oh I've been meaning to ask, what time zone are you located in?2009-11-28 08:50:28
<Shelwien> and torrent might die soon2009-11-28 08:50:43
<Krugz> you think so?2009-11-28 08:50:55
<Shelwien> piratebay promoting magnet links and DHT etc2009-11-28 08:51:23
 and various filters and shapers with torrent support2009-11-28 08:51:44
 its just the same story that happened in japan long ago2009-11-28 08:52:02
<Krugz> ?2009-11-28 08:52:11
<Shelwien> people going in jail for p2p etc2009-11-28 08:52:26
 so their p2p uses different protocols from what europeans accustomized to2009-11-28 08:52:56
<Krugz> you think piratebay will be jailed?2009-11-28 08:52:56
<Shelwien> dunno, it seems like they have money to avoid that2009-11-28 08:53:17
<Krugz> different protocols? Are they really that different?2009-11-28 08:53:34
<Shelwien> yeah2009-11-28 08:53:44
 they're designed with an idea in mind2009-11-28 08:53:55
<Krugz> ?2009-11-28 08:54:04
<Shelwien> that you can't prove that a person shares illegal content2009-11-28 08:54:12
 even if you downloaded that content from that person2009-11-28 08:54:20
 one of their features is something like cache2009-11-28 08:54:54
 the p2p client downloads random stuff and stores there in encrypted form2009-11-28 08:55:18
 a few GBs2009-11-28 08:55:22
 and then shares it2009-11-28 08:55:30
 and you don't know what's there, unless you'd accidentally try to download a file2009-11-28 08:56:19
 which is already cached2009-11-28 08:56:23
<Krugz> I don't see how that protects them though2009-11-28 08:56:47
<Shelwien> as i said, you can't put a person to jail2009-11-28 08:57:02
<Krugz> it's a little confusing, but I think I'm just tired2009-11-28 08:57:37
<Shelwien> after demonstrating that you can download an illegal file from that person's computer2009-11-28 08:57:40
 because he doesn't control that2009-11-28 08:58:10
<Krugz> I kinda understand 2009-11-28 08:58:47
<Shelwien> well, also encryption and user identification is unique too2009-11-28 08:58:51
 its much harder to filter these like they do with torrents2009-11-28 08:59:12
 also file search too2009-11-28 09:00:13
 you can never acquire a list of files shared by specific user2009-11-28 09:00:45
 err... i mean, by a user with specific ip2009-11-28 09:01:16
<Krugz> ah well, not to cut you short but I'm going to have to go to sleep soon2009-11-28 09:01:31
 it's 4am here :P2009-11-28 09:01:41
<Shelwien> well, its 11 here2009-11-28 09:01:57
<Krugz> ah ok2009-11-28 09:02:05
<Shelwien> +2 or something2009-11-28 09:02:07
 ukraine2009-11-28 09:02:09
<Krugz> EST, US east coast2009-11-28 09:02:17
 anyways thanks a lot for the chat, that was fun, I learned a lot in a short period of time lol2009-11-28 09:02:54
<Shelwien> well, it'd be useful if you could lurk here ;)2009-11-28 09:03:11
<Krugz> I'm currently on a holiday break (thanksgiving), so I'll be around for a while, and I'll try to stay after too2009-11-28 09:03:39
<Shelwien> well, i can't promise much news, unless somebody talks to me2009-11-28 09:04:22
<Krugz> just curious, do you know anything about the Edsac?2009-11-28 09:04:23
<Shelwien> but having more people here would be useful2009-11-28 09:04:32
<Krugz> sure I'd be willing to help out, if I can lol2009-11-28 09:04:55
<Shelwien> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC ?2009-11-28 09:05:08
<Krugz> yup2009-11-28 09:05:21
<Shelwien> are you building a model? ;)2009-11-28 09:05:29
<Krugz> no nothing that complicated2009-11-28 09:05:36
 just writing code for the simulator2009-11-28 09:05:45
 I have a hardware architecture class, and an early assignment was to program for this Edsac simulator2009-11-28 09:06:10
<Shelwien> nice too2009-11-28 09:06:20
<Krugz> our professor is very lax on the due dates, so I can still do it 2009-11-28 09:06:21
<Shelwien> i'd write a compiler though2009-11-28 09:06:26
<Krugz> lolol I'm not good enough for that kind of thing2009-11-28 09:06:38
<Shelwien> its not really harder than interpreter2009-11-28 09:06:51
 but works much faster2009-11-28 09:07:02
 like JIT etc2009-11-28 09:07:05
<Krugz> I honestly think it would be out of my league2009-11-28 09:07:19
 I'm way behind on what I should know in computer science, my own laziness2009-11-28 09:07:36
<Shelwien> http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/doom.html2009-11-28 09:08:10
 like that ;)2009-11-28 09:08:13
<Krugz> ah ya, that would take me a while to make lol2009-11-28 09:08:35
 the applet seems to be down, but I know what you were trying to show me2009-11-28 09:09:40
<Shelwien> nah, i checked and it worked2009-11-28 09:09:54
 probably browser/java compatibility2009-11-28 09:10:04
<Krugz> maybe my java is out of date or something?2009-11-28 09:10:06
<Shelwien> maybe2009-11-28 09:10:12
<Krugz> what browser are you using?2009-11-28 09:10:29
<Shelwien> mozilla 1.3 ;)2009-11-28 09:10:40
<Krugz> old :o2009-11-28 09:10:44
<Shelwien> and chrome2009-11-28 09:10:46
<Krugz> I'm using newest mozilla2009-11-28 09:10:59
 is there any good in chrome? I didn't want to play with it2009-11-28 09:11:10
 ah just needed to restart firefox, working now2009-11-28 09:11:30
<Shelwien> well, its fast and compatible with google's web apps2009-11-28 09:11:50
<Krugz> hmm gotcha2009-11-28 09:12:20
<Shelwien> also my old mozilla includes browser/mailer/editor at once2009-11-28 09:13:04
 but it seems like there's no such an install anymore2009-11-28 09:13:22
 separate firefox and thunderbird, and what about html editor?2009-11-28 09:13:39
<Krugz> anyways, I'm going to try to get some sleep, I'll be around tomorrow. I'll probably spend the day working on that edsac simulator coding.2009-11-28 09:14:09
 I think HTML editor is built into firefox2009-11-28 09:14:19
<Shelwien> don't see it there2009-11-28 09:15:32
<Krugz> right click on a page and view source?2009-11-28 09:16:11
 not sure if you'd consider that an "editor" 2009-11-28 09:16:21
 it's just color coding the tags and stuff2009-11-28 09:16:28
<Shelwien> no, there's a real html editor in my mozilla 1.32009-11-28 09:16:57
 and some javascript developer tools too2009-11-28 09:17:09
<Krugz> I guess supporting those things became too problematic2009-11-28 09:17:49
 so thanks again, this was fun2009-11-28 09:18:24
<Shelwien> ;)2009-11-28 09:18:46
<Krugz> I'll cya tomorrow or whenever, good morning? day? 2009-11-28 09:18:54
<Shelwien> well, i'd probably be around at the same time2009-11-28 09:19:49
 !next2009-11-28 09:20:48